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    9 months ago

    Which is the same as demand.

    What? In BC the demand is for Mandarin. There is no demand for French. But French is the language that’s required in many positions in BC. I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Ditto for your second part.


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    9 months ago

    Funny because Quebec people love French requirements because it’s their advantage. That’s why he won’t entertain the thought experiment of having to learn Ukrainian, because he has no advantage there. If I spoke Ukrainian, uni or bilingual, advantage or not, I know it would be bonkers to force Ukrainian on the rest of the country.

    No, the job requirements are because French is forced onto the country. It’s artificial. That’s the whole point.

    There are very very very few French speakers West of Quebec. So no there are very very very few French customers if we call it that. The demand isn’t there. Again it’s artificial. That’s the whole point of what I’m saying. It’s an artificial construct.

    As I said at the start, in BC there’s more market demand for Mandarin than French, uni and bi. But the freaking premier got crucified simply for pointing that out.

    Nor is it just government jobs as I said. It’s all jobs, in every field, even school applications, it’s everywhere. All artificial.

    Really I covered everything you just asked. You’re just ignoring it, so if you continue on ignoring I’m not going to bother responding.


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    9 months ago

    Already covered

    The demand for English is market demand because it’s the dominate language in Canada, the US, UK, and the international language of business and science. The vast majority of demand for French in Canada (outside of Quebec) is an artificial construct forced on the rest of the country. It’s completely artificial. There’s no natural demand or desire. But it’s forced on everyone and on to job requirements. You’re trying to confuse it with all these other things trying to make it sound like ‘both sides’.

    I did entertain perspective. If I spoke Ukrainian (plus English), I would not demand the rest of the country learn it. It’s actually the other way around, he can’t entertain perspective. It’s bizarre that you think otherwise.

    And they don’t need to learn English. This gets back to the main issue: they can do what they want in Quebec. But French language should not be forced on the rest of the country.


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    9 months ago

    Already covered:

    So you speak French and work in Quebec. Fine. Why do I need French in the prairies? Do you see how this goes? The demand for English is market demand because it’s the dominate language in Canada, the US, UK, and the international language of business and science. The vast majority of demand for French in Canada (outside of Quebec) is an artificial construct forced on the rest of the country. It’s completely artificial. There’s no natural demand or desire. But it’s forced on everyone and on to job requirements. You’re trying to confuse it with all these other things trying to make it sound like ‘both sides’.


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    9 months ago

    So you’ve taken to insults in other languages. I think that says it all. Though I think you forgot google translate exists.

    Don’t forget, just learn Ukrainian. It’s not that hard. And so many people are bilingual, so it’s good for you. (See how you refuse to engage on that scenario and I just use all your arguments against you. To which you have no reply, only insults lol. And of course no reply to my other points either.)

    Cheers.


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    9 months ago

    Dude, french language is being forced. You seem to want to wipe your hands clean of it, but it is being forced.

    I see you didn’t look at my other comment so:

    This part mostly fits:

    … Yes bilinguals *in French and English. I thought that was so obvious that I didn’t say it specifically. And that requires, wait for it, French. [*Actually no, not bilinguals. If you are bilingual in English and Mandarin, you don’t meet the French criteria. Repeat all languages. It’s French that they want and require above all others. But you’re trying to misframe the issue by saying not Francophones unilingual, and saying bilingual (with what I see as you defaulting to include French).]

    This part really fits:

    So you speak French and work in Quebec. Fine. Why do I need French in the prairies? Do you see how this goes? The demand for English is market demand because it’s the dominate language in Canada, the US, UK, and the international language of business and science. The vast majority of demand for French in Canada (outside of Quebec) is an artificial construct forced on the rest of the country. It’s completely artificial. There’s no natural demand or desire. But it’s forced on everyone and on to job requirements. You’re trying to confuse it with all these other things trying to make it sound like ‘both sides’.

    And the new part:

    Congrats on speaking 4 languages. But yes it is hard for many people, and more importantly it’s completely unnecessary. It’d be like requiring high level math for fields completely unrelated to math. And I’d just say math is easy, knowing full well some/many/most can’t do it for reasons. Then when you/someone says I can’t do this math I’d say “cry me a river” because I can do it and benefit from it. (I notice you didn’t comment on learning Ukrainian, likely because it’s so ludicrous that you don’t even entertain it. Well that’s what learning French is to us.)


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    9 months ago

    It’s not that it exists, as you say. It’s that the French language is forced on to the rest of Canada. You can see my other comment in this thread.

    I’ve thought of a good analogy. In Alberta there used to be so many Ukrainians they thought about making it a provincial language. So in this hypothetical let’s say that AB was bigger and had the political sway that Quebec has. Suddenly Ukrainian is a national official language. If you want a federal job, you better learn Ukrainian. Want to enter politics? Better speak Ukrainian. We’re going to open Ukrainian immersion schools across the country so lots of Canadians speak Ukrainian and so Ukrainian speakers from AB can get service when they travel across the country. I wonder if you’d be a proponent of that. And if you say that makes no sense, I’ll say “It must be really hard being from the majority and constantly being reminded that a minority exists”. So again, it’s not that it exists. It’s that it’s forced on the rest of the country.