You did not look at the resources I sent lmao. Do you have any sources for your claims?

China is a one party system.

False. Even Wikipedia can debunk your claims. There are nine parties in China, which work together in consultation on policy. Boer has a whole chapter on this. There is no requirement of party membership for running in elections and they have tons of elections. The reason they don’t have a bunch of spectacle where people pretend they hate each other and the president is whomever can procure the most money and be the most charismatic like the US is because they manage their contradictions non-antagonistically (another thing Boer talks about).

China doesn’t perform well on living standard.

A laughable statement. China is doing better than the US. But, the US has centuries of imperialism it benefits from, so why compare it to China, when India is more comparable and has 7 years lower life expectancy.

Too many homeless and a great part of the population lives in poverty.

Of all the things to accuse China of, that is not it.

Work week is 6 days a week and 12 hours a day.

You really need to source these claims. Anyway, labor rights are increasing year by year. They a whole lot better than other countries with large manufacturing industry.

There’s not one thing China is the best at when it comes to welfare and living standards.

My shock when a country that’s less than a 100 years out of its century of humiliation isn’t the absolute best at everything.

So no, it’s by no means a great example.

Eliminating poverty, , leading the world by far in technological innovation, and being the largest economy not too long after being a feudal backwater without colonies isn’t exemplary?

Why do you care? Star Trek is fictional, but socialism is real and democratic, moving toward communism (like Star Trek).

I don’t know too much about Star Trek, but with that extreme post scarcity, what do you need a government for? The reason we communists support abolishing police is because you don’t need any coercion if everyone has whatever material thing they could want or need.

Star Trek has an economic system, it’s not run “on science.” Star Trek is functionally fully automated luxury communism. Under capitalism we have the technology to have no scarcity, but that’s not profitable, so capitalists create scarcity by destroying excess product and not giving it to those in need. In Star Trek they have a duplicator thing so no one is in need and no one can make a profit. It is a communist utopia. If you want to see a rational society that implements policy for scientifically planned good look at China. Their ultimate goal is communism, but today for now their achievements include lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, heavily subsidizing green technology allowing it to be cheap and accessible, and lifting people’s living standards so that the life expectancy is higher the wealthy western countries.

Authoritarian is a nonsense term. You said you support socialism right? It cannot exist without capitalists feeling and being vocal about their oppression. All the media portrays China as evil because they are the antithesis of our sick society.

“Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part…” - Fredrick Engels

Self evident to whom? We are ruled by ghouls who care more about profit than people’s lives. Shouldn’t it be “self-evident” to Biden that committing genocide is bad? Shouldn’t it be “self-evident” that corporations shouldn’t be getting away after poisoning millions of people? Shouldn’t it be “self evident” that if people work all day their wages should be enough to allow them to live decently?

These things may obviously be good, but it won’t be done until we have a system that puts people over profit.

Fake numbers about a US enemy from harvard? Shouldn’t we be hearing about the 10% who didn’t like the government being punished if there actually is coercion?

Science is their friend. Companies pay people to make studies that make their dangerous products look good. Think tanks run studies to figure out how to keep the economy growing at the expense of working people.

China is by no means perfect, but far more democratic than the US “beacon of democracy” ever was. There’s a reason over 90% are happy with their government. https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#is-china-a-democracy

They are also a good example of the practice of scientific socialism. They’ve extensively studied the Soviet Union as to avoid their mistakes. They also study the contradictions of their society to develop harmonically. I recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: a Foreigner’s Guide.

Science has no goal. It cannot determine policy. It can tell you how certain policies may affect certain metrics, but it matters who decides what metrics matter ie. do we care if people have food, or if line go up.

I should mention many Utopian Socialists wanted scientists to rule society, but their dreams failed and were coopted. They didn’t understand the class character of the state.

Technocracy is stupid, and just serves tech elites. Thankfully, there is a scientific political system out there called Scientific Socialism. It ruthlessly criticizes the world to find the best way to advance the interests of the great masses of people. It analyses the movement of history and society to make it develope smoothly. It studies its own struggle to make it be more effectively. However, it is not against democracy, but rather in favor of a truer democracy of the working class. Liberal democracy is simply the ruling class making up differences and fighting each other for show. In China they have a far better democracy without such fighting, and instead have tons of dialogue and study.

What’s with the downvotes?

Lol, just because people have a legal “right” to some things doesn’t mean we don’t have a right to criticize the ways it’s damaging and there are far better alternatives. It’s also notable that in many places “private property” owners are not allowed the “right” to do what they wish with their land if it might be beneficial to the ecosystem because it would decrease “property values.”

That’s fine in Europe, but to any USians reading clover is not native here and there are natives you could/should be planting. Honey bees are also not native fyi, shout-out to native pollinators.

Lol, Joe Biden, climate hero.

Christians were the first communists, and today regardless of religious affiliation communists tend to be better at upholding Christian values than the average “Christian.” I don’t even know why I bother with you at this point.

Lol, just because people claim to be something doesn’t make them so. Elon Musk is a hypocrite , a racist, a transphobe, a benefactor of slavery, and a massive exploiter, of course Jesus wouldn’t approve. Would Jesus have approved of Chattel slavery in the US because southerners used Christianity to justify their way of life? Jesus isn’t out here whipping people anymore. He made it pretty clear that the punishment for exploitation and cruelty on earth is spiritual suffering. “It is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven.” Elon Musk does not appear to be happy now, and I’m sure if hell exists, he’s going there.

He was always talking about how the rich can’t get into heaven and the poor deserve more. It’s important to note that this is the only time he openly got angry at anyone, and also as someone in this thread pointed out, he fashioned a whole whip to do it, which took time.

Sis, I’ve been sending you quotes like these for at least a week. “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” - matthew 6:24

“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” - Matthew 19:24

“Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.” - proverbs 31:9

“And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.” - Leviticus 23:22

“ For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.” - 1 Timothy 6: 10

Go read the Lemmygrad comments too.