Oh please let it be a fully egalitarian future…
Attached is a perfectly acceptable social media post and two entirely understandable LLM responses to the post and a reimagining of the post.
One relevant data point in terms of how soon we’d conceivably be refactoring language models and updating our own views:
From their research, Sáenz and Poston Jr expect the United States to have progressed to overall white minority demography by 2044.
Of course, a white minority doesn’t necessarily equate a dismantling of a power structure favoring white folks.
It shouldn’t need to be said on the fediverse that racists need not reply - expect most folks will approach this academically as intended.
PS: if you hate this post, please try to be as nice as you can about it - e.g. toss me a polite sentence after you downvote
“I really like hanging out with all my non-disabled friends.”
ChatGPT is correct that sometimes the inclusion of excess adjectives describing a majority population could have an implicit exclusionary interpretation that’s less than ideal.
Whereas when describing a minority group, calling out the less common features are not necessary going to have that same exclusionary tone.
“I always have a great time with my D&D playing friends.”
I think this is the best answer in response to what ChatGPT is saying.
Something that some people tend to miss is that context matters, and context definitely includes who is saying something.
I don’t care about AI.
It’s not because of posts like this; it’s not because of the endless hype cycle. It’s not because hundreds of billions are going into it and it’s not because everyone’s doing it; it’s all these things combined with the fact that I don’t have a use case for AI in my life. I don’t need AI’s sanitized, corporatized opinion on anything, and there’s nothing a chatbot can do that a human can’t do better.
But that’s just me. If you and others like it, Cool Beans.
Full respect, but I have a feeling you (and I)'ll be using AI as part of your daily endeavours in the next 2 years easily.
May I inquire what you think we’ll be using it for?
Writing emails, generating summaries, translation, code, true phone virtual assistant, dubbed-with-AI content… This year we are going to see very probably important announcements from GAFAM, that’s why the AI pin startups launched their products so early, because they are very soon probably being made obsolete with whatever GAFAM has in hands for summer and fall announcements.
I’m already amazing at emails and summaries, I can write my own code but rarely need to outside my job, I don’t have a use case for translation, I don’t use my current phone assistant and can’t see myself using a “true” virtual assistant.
Got any better scenarios? Cuz all those use cases fill me with apathy.
My mistake. Should’ve found legit sources or explained possible interpretations myself, couldn’t have been too hard.
Any opinion on the core topic as explained below the horizontal line here?
Thanks
Who cares what AI thinks?
Like, what’s the point of the screenshot?
I have this one cousin who’s a total fuck up and didn’t graduate 7the grade, he stopped by to get some meth money and I decided to ask him about the future!
That’s what you’re doing.
No one cares AI said something dumb, and you caring makes it seem like you actually believe AI is anything more than a chatbot.
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Who cares what AI thinks?
Like, what’s the point of the screenshot?
It’s an averaged-out view of what “the internet” thinks, with extra massaging to make sure it isn’t too offensive. I think the chatbot’s take here pretty much encapsulates the general US public opinion.
“a hypothetical fully-egalitarian future?”
I’m gonna go ahead and stop you right there.
That’s a great point! Whatever happened to that guy I wonder?
He said long, not short enough to be observable during my lifetime :)
Is the entirety of human history enough evidence or do you still require more?
I don’t know how many generations it would take, but in a short time race would cease to be an issue at all when we get to egalitarianism of marriage/children.
We’ll all be a nice shade of bronze. Lovely.
Race only exists as a cultural construct. Eventually, like all cultural constructs, it will cease to exist in its current form, regardless of level of equality in future society.
Personally, I hope to dismantle this concept as soon as possible since it’s proven a toxic one in most circumstances.
Well, I would love if that concept could be retired and forgotten sooner than later. But as things are right now, e.g. CRT is required to get there and CRT requires the concept of race :/
I’m not sure I agree that CRT is required necessarily. Why do you think that?
E.g. it is a reality that there is currently some correlations between race and e.g. poverty. Even we don’t consider those correlations when enacting laws, we create unjust laws that impact some races more than others, which would feedback into those correlations.
Extremely stupid example for. CT (critical theory in general), if your government would enact a law that would state that the government would build you your dream house for 5 millions. Even if it is more expensive than 5 million. Then “everyone” can get their dream house on paper, but in reality only the rich can get it and they get additional wealth that the general public would have to cover. Impoverishing the poor more and enrich the wealthiest more. So an unjust law.
I don’t think there would be perspectives on race, except as a hypothetical- the way I (and I assume others) feel when something like those head shape diagrams that tell you about whether someone’s a criminal (edit: phrenological diagrams)come up: it’s an invented way to keep people in groups, so it won’t stick around once people are no longer separating themselves on that basis.
Given that we don’t live in that society, I see no issue with treating a post from a white man specifying white beauty differently from one from a black man about black beauty. They are different statements. I see it similarly to how a woman saying “it was great to see a woman win a scientific award” is a different statement from a man saying “it was great to see a man win a scientific award.” Black women have been excluded from American ideas of beauty since there was an America in a variety of ways.
Thanks for overcoming my shortsighted decision to put too great of a spotlight on software when it overshadowed the (sociological? anthropological?) question you adeptly responded to.
As obviously pseudoscientific as those foot diagrams (reflexology).
Is there way more validity/importance to race than phrenology? Some folks seem to love connecting with their culture, their ancestors, and race plays a part - they’ll take pride in all of it.
I see no issue with treating [posts differently]
Indeed, we should. But what if we fast forward not to just a time when the oppressor class’s race is a minority, but also there’s no racial connection amongst the oppressor class? So, year 3000, and everyone is perfectly represented amongst Fortune 500 CEOs. Nobody’s disadvantaged, and there’s no great need to raise up any particular group of people.
1: would a Black man specify the race of a Black flight attendant?
2: would a white person specify the race of a white flight attendant?
And would either or both of those be viewed as totally normal observations?
(this does assume we continue to notice our racial groupings technically exist - if race is no longer a distinction, believe the question’s moot)
Is there way more validity/importance to race than phrenology? Some folks seem to love connecting with their culture, their ancestors, and race plays a part - they’ll take pride in all of it.
Culture is a good thing to compare it to, because they’re both sociological, rather than biological distinctions. People want to connect with their culture, but I think if race were truly irrelevant, they might base it on different things. I’ve heard my stepsister attribute her loudness to being Jewish, Italian, and a New Yorker- I’d expect more of the latter if no one else had told her that Jews or Italians are loud.
If there’s not a connection between a behavior and a race (or ethnicity), I don’t know how one could take pride in it. I also don’t really see how the world can be fully egalitarian if they still exist- would someone who believes Italians are inherently louder than, say, Japanese people give mr. Policetti and mr. Yamamoto the same chances when hiring an academic dean or a DJ for a kid’s party? I can’t see how they would.
Maybe I’m missing something, but if that thought is somewhere in peoples heads, I think it’s got to have an effect.
I would prefer a future where criminals were eliminated. I don’t care what race they are.
In a truly egalitarian future nobody will really care. We might notice but we won’t really give a shit at all. We were almost there about 12 years ago, then shit went sideways and now people don’t shut the fuck up about race.
? 12 years ago my ex was getting radicalized on the internet, reading Stormfront and other similar sites. I really do not think all was nearly OK then.
I said shit went sideways around 12 years ago didn’t i?
