Need a plate of generic, insipid platitudes with a giant helping of bad science and misogyny?

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          It did make me raise an eyebrow when Rogan got him to admit he was afraid of the possibility of Heaven being real, due to it also being eternal.

          Bruh, if you really don’t believe in something, why fear it? Do you know how scared I am of the possibility that Jason Vorhees is real? Not at all! I’m also not scared of the idea that Outworld is real and will take over our realm if we lose another tournament…

          So shouldn’t the concept of Heaven be just as powerless to his sense of fear?

          I’m not making a statement or trying to imply anything, I’m not sold on an afterlife of any kind (I think it’s a lovely idea, but, I also think it literally raining chocolate is a lovely idea), I just found that confusing is all.

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            Because claiming you have all the knowledge is even dumber than believing in religion.

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            The risk about being wrong about heaven, although infinitesimally unlikely, is very grave because it is forever - over time, being wrong about this would outweigh every other poor decision you’ve ever made.

            And yet, of course, this alone is not a reason to believe in it. Even if you were to do so, which version do you pick to have faith in when there is no hard evidence for any of them?

            It’s a bit like Roko’s Basilisk, come to think of it. We can all be quite sure it isn’t real. But (the way it works out in this case), why needlessly take the gamble even if there is no evidence? Infinitely unlikely risk, but with infinitely large consequence.

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          Even if we assume he somehow made it through the hippy era as a PhD holder without trying it, there’s no way no one has hooked him up in the past ten years.

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            Idk would you want to be near him when he trips? He doesn’t seem like a fun person to do a substance that can cause experiences of religion with.

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              As an agnostic atheist that favors materialism, I found it to be very fun and exciting to do pretty massive doses of psychedelics, especially ones that frequently spur thoughts of “higher powers.” 2C-E, in particular is known for bringing about thoughts about the divine, and that was a lot of fun (I just played around on Universe Sandbox while I came up, put on some good music, then laid on the floor in a blanket and thought about the universe for a few hours).

              Dawkins on acid would be a hell of a time

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                God I gotta trip shrooms this weekend, that one time where I saw myself as a squid outside of my body playing with it and being judged by a stream of squids for refusing to “Stop playing with that thing and move on to embrace your truest self, a being beyond physicality, a being that can take any form or shape it wants, something far great than a human being.”

                Was awesome…

                God I hate being human. I’d demand to be freed from this flesh prison, but I’m not sure there’s anything to actually let out… That I may actually BE the flesh prison.

                I feel like I’m in this weird camp of “I Don’t Want To Be An Atheist!”

                Not because I fear Hell or anything, I just find the concept of a cold purely material universe where no greater force than Entropy exists scarier than any interpretation of Tartarus!

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                  Ego death is a hell of a thing…

                  I feel like I’m in this weird camp of “I Don’t Want To Be An Atheist!”

                  I don’t think it’s that unusual. Most people are just pretty good at pretending that they believe in a higher power and repressing that fear that maybe this is all we get.

                  At least personally there was a period of about a year where I went through every apologetics argument I could find in order to try and hang onto the religion I grew up with, followed by another year where I called myself a deist before I confronted the possibility that there was really no evidence for anything more than materialism. I wound up reaching the conclusion that unless we find more evidence, most religions and supernatural beliefs are just wishful thinking. And given my personality, I couldn’t really ignore that conclusion once I got there.

                  I just find the concept of a cold purely material universe where no greater force than Entropy exists scarier than any interpretation of Tartarus!

                  It is a bit overwhelming. I tend to fall back on acknowledging that I am part of the universe rather than in opposition to it as a way of confronting that existential dread. Plus, entropy is actually not as scary as it seems at first since space and time are really, really big compared to the scales we perceive and think in. That leaves lots of places where order can appear without violating the second law of thermodynamics, and our species is very unlikely to ever really reach that point where the heat death of the universe affects us personally.

                  So I just file “the cold indifference of the universe” away in the same area as knowing the sun will one day expand and consume Earth: it’s interesting to know how it all works, a little scary, but very unlikely to ever significantly affect this little pocket of the universe I perceive as my self.

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                    I… I want to hug you, I feel like I’ve actually found someone who gets it, instead of another edgelord mocking me for “Trying to cling to sky daddy faerie tales”

                    I’m sorry I can’t… I can’t accept a world where death is the final answer for us all… It’s it’s too much…

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                Yeah I just worry he might do what I did and find Gaia. Us earth worshippers are annoying enough without Dawkins among us. Though I’ll acknowledge I already had a foot in the door to pantheism at the time

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                  Eh, I think he’s too stubborn and too good at defining his terms to go that route. I love the idea of Spinoza’s pantheistic view of the universe, but I would never tell the average person that because I don’t want to end up in the same box as Einstein, where just because I use the word “God,” people assume I’m religious.

                  Personally, I think Dawkins would wind up going the same route as Sagan, defining mystical experiences related to the universe as “numinous” rather than “religious” for precisely that reason: because it’s really obnoxious when people take your words out of context, so stick to using very specific words that don’t carry the baggage of religion.

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            I don’t know why it is necessary to accuse Dawkins of taking a drug he has stated he hadent taken and them make conjectured comments about his sexual life

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      That’s hilarious! I had no idea there was more to this. Thanks for sharing.

      Now I gotta track down Rogan and Peterson talking about Dawkins.

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        If you’re a fan of extreme cringe, Jordan Peterson’s podcast episode with Richard Dawkins is the source for all that. But the double helix thing was probably the most entertaining one.

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      Isn’t Richard Dawkins a bigger transphobe than Peterson, having literally compared being trans to wearing blackface?

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          Because Dawkins shouldn’t get a prize for being merely “Not as insane as the other bigot!”

          What’s your understanding? Because he literally had humanitarian awards for basically being the biggest piece of shit ever when it came to women and transpeople, especially if they were both!