• Graylitic@lemm.ee
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    I never said they had no armies, but they both spend much less than the US does as a percentage of GDP.

    Again, you can’t actually refute the points I made. Modern Nordic Social Democracy doesn’t actually solve the issues Communists take with Capitalism, it only makes the downsides slightly more bearable. It still relies on economic Imperialism to export shitty labor conditions to developing countries to poach local resources, and still generally relies on the US spending so much more on their military both percentage wise and in total.

    Your point that Communists just haven’t discovered Social Democracy is ludicrous, anyone who has spent 5 minutes reading Marx will know about Social Democracy’s issues systemically. Simply batting for the team with the highest standard of living without giving any critical thought as to why these countries have the highest standard of living is primary education level political and economic thought.

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      I think I’m being trolled here but if you actually don’t know about the concepts of finlandization or Sweden’s neutrality I have no clue how you can keep a straight face lying

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        Lying? In what way? Is it a lie to say that the US as a peacemaking, Imperialist force with military supremacy and war deterrent has an impact on what other countries spend on their military?

        Is it a lie to say that Finland spends less both in total and as a percentage of GDP on their military than the US does?

        Is it a lie to say that Nordic countries have companies like Nestlé where the working conditions and environmental damage done to developing countries are massive, yet workers within said Nordic countries are generally treated well?

        Is it a lie to say that Marx specifically mentioned the concepts of Social Democracy as insufficient and therefore Communists aren’t just blind people who haven’t discovered magical Capitalism but the government does some stuff yet none of the issues with Capitalism are actually solved?

        All in all, you’re painfully unaware of how economics or politics works.

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          You are saying Finland and Sweden had no deterrence during their respective times of neutrality.

          And social democracy is when US spends money on military? Yo what?

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            No, I said precisely neither of those.

            Finland and Sweden do in fact have militaries. They don’t have to spend nearly as much money on them because the US exists as a global deterrent. If the US was not a global deterrent, then Finland and Sweden would have to spend more money on their militaries.

            Social Democracy is not when the US spends money on military. Social Democracy is just Capitalism but the government does some stuff, which solves none of the actual problems of Capitalism.

            Social Democracy as found in the Nordic Countries only exists because these countries do not have to spend as much on their militaries, and practice economic Imperialism a la Nestlé where these companies practice brutal Imperialism of developing countries.

            This isn’t a difficult concept to understand. Yes, Social Democracies are generally better for their own citizens, but are parasitic in nature.

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              I have no idea how you speak to me like thay when you are unaware what neutrality means.

              I’m being trolled

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                Yes, Finland and Sweden both spend money and effort as deterrence. Not as much as they would have to if the US didn’t exist.

                Is global politics a mutually exclusive game to you? Does “nuance” not exist in your vocabulary?

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                    Which of the following is false?

                    A. The US spends more money and has a much larger military force than Sweden and Finland

                    B. US presence in the geopolitical space serves as a deterrent against possible aggression against any countries on good terms with the US

                    C. If a deterrent like the US did not exist, other countries would have to spend more money to continue protecting themselves effectively

                    D. Just because Finland and Sweden have militaries and neutrality practices does not mean that the US no longer exists as a global peacemaker against aggression towards countries on friendly terms with it

                    Please tell me which of these is an alternative reality. I can then educate you on why you’re wrong and we can move on.